they show up at trials, and they confess being agents for the cia , mousad, and of course no one believes. no one. not a subject iranian believes these people, who served the revolution have completely become counterrevolutionary. but the idea is to look into the hearts of the iranian public, telling them that the chosen prime minister of khomeini, if he is not -- if he has to appear on short trial, if people who were cabinet ministers in the 1980s have to an short trial. this this change which is taking place. >> thanks, ali. emanuel, i wanted to move on to you, in light of what marina said about the indifference she felt during her period of imprisonment from the west, or from the outside world, and given ali's observation that even having panels on iran human rights record is somewhat of a novelty in washington, what does that stay about what the west is doing? what measures the west -- the united states are taking specifically aimed at iran on its human rights record as opposed to proliferation or anything else. >> first of all i want to thank my co-panelists and the audience, and fdd